socksuke_uchiha ([personal profile] socksuke_uchiha) wrote in [community profile] rpanons2025-01-03 08:27 pm

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-11 08:26 am (UTC)(link)
i know everyone who loves a canon made for children says no, it's deep and has mature themes, fucked up things happen in it! (bc there's this idea that "made for children" media can't be thoughtful or reckon with death and grief etc, nothing scary can happen, characters can't be complex, everything has to wrap up happily etc)

but no really guys this has mature themes and sincerely fucked up things happen in it it has depth.

(just maybe not quite as much depth and intentionality as some of the other fans think)

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-11 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
"it has mature themes and fucked up things happen so it's not REALLY for kids!" is stupid but the backlash has given us "it's for kids so obviously only a weirdo would think it has mature themes or anything fucked up happens" which is the exact same statement viewed from a different angle

(Anonymous) 2025-01-11 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
this is always a strange argument for me, idk. i'm aware that media for children can have dark, fucked up things. my favorite things to watch as a child often had those elements. but they're usually geared to teach lessons or let kids safely experience complex emotions through fiction. due to the perspective it still definitely feels For Kids! even if it's fucked up, and most adults still aren't interested in stuff aimed at children.

(Anonymous) 2025-01-11 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
look around most game taken lists. yes they are.

(Anonymous) 2025-01-11 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
dwrp is not representative of most adults.

(Anonymous) 2025-01-11 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
what

(Anonymous) 2025-01-12 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
sure but the most watched movie of the last few years was Endgame so it still applies outside dwrp

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-13 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
i think the wicked movie is also a relevant example. plenty of adults are currently freaking out about that but that movie is definitely best enjoyed by 12 year olds.

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-11 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
content made for children is made BY adults who also want the parents of those children to be engaged as well as to hit any adults who need to hear its messages too.

do you think they put the adult jokes and nerd references in Bluey for your budding homestuck baby?? no, they put it there because they know that parents might be watching with their kids too, and if Bluey gets the attention of those parents those adults might absorb some of the lessons it's trying to teach as well.

many adults, especially in this hobby, value the storytelling in children's media and might even want to create it themselves. Sometimes it even appeals to their inner child, but also sometimes a children's story just fucks severely and is very cool and worth consuming. children's media usually isn't exclusively for children.

(Anonymous) 2025-01-11 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
oof

ayrt

(Anonymous) 2025-01-11 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
some adults could stand to learn the lessons in children’s media

remembering how 10+ years ago a bunch of grown men talked about empathy like it was a entirely new concept because they watched my little pony

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-11 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
but if you're anon they replied to and i'm anon they replied to who's writing the plane

it's true though, even if that's a joke, that is part of the goal with children's shows is that every once in a while you might hope the show you worked on makes parents listen to their kids feelings more or as mentioned introduces grown men to the concept of empathy

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-14 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
I rewatched Rugrats and now that I'm an adult I can appreciate how hilarious the adult characters are and understand jokes that flew over my head as a kid. I used to zone out during some of the scenes about the parents. Now I appreciate them.

(Anonymous) 2025-01-11 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
have you not seen the torrid amount of fanart that exists for every children's show and animated movie that comes out? i've had to tab away from so many youtube video essays the second the youtuber admits they basically only watch children's shows so that's where their perspective is couched

i Wish there weren't so many people who primarily consume content meant for grade schoolers tbh

(Anonymous) 2025-01-12 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
or you could let people like things

(Anonymous) 2025-01-12 08:21 am (UTC)(link)
found the person who only watches disney channel at 40

(Anonymous) 2025-01-12 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
"nothing dark or complicated can happen in kids media" and "exclusively consuming kids media" are different things?

(Anonymous) 2025-01-12 08:25 am (UTC)(link)
the comment you're replying to is replying to the "most adults still aren't interested in stuff aimed at children" thing anon, not the dark and gritty thing

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-12 08:03 am (UTC)(link)
see, i know children's media has deep and mature themes, but my gripe is that because something is made for children, they (understandably) make those themes palatable and appropriate for children, which may not be the experience i'm looking for. the themes are there but they are completely irrelevant to me.

it doesn't mean everything has to be gritty and grimdark, but it might be too complicated for children's programming. for example, a show for kids might portray someone leaving an abusive situation very differently than a show for adults even if there isn't anything violent happening.

basically, i need to have adult conversations about adult feelings and i literally cannot find that in children's media because it doesn't exist. it's never going to approach that on the level i'm looking for, but that's because it's not supposed to.

i believe adults writing characters from those canons can expand upon those themes and add nuance that comes from being an adult and no longer needing to keep things kid friendly, but i'm unlikely to ever watch the canon itself no matter how much i enjoy rping with the character.

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-12 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really sorry that you can't find other adults to have adult conversations about themes in children's media and open media with, but that isn't everyone's experience and saying "it doesn't exist" is moreso representative of the circles you engage with, not the reality of the situation. those conversations exist because adults make and discuss that media. your experience isn't universal

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-12 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
the "conversations" in this case aren't strictly literal, as in talking with other people talking about the canon, but also within the dialogue or the writing wihin the canon. they don't exist because those canons don't contain the version of those themes i'm looking for because they're made to engage with those themes at a child's level. i would be concerned if people were applying those ideas to children's media anyway because it would be some seriously fucked up headcanon to apply on its own.

an example would be how encanto touches on generational trauma. you can assume any number of specific takes about the family dynamics involved and have very adult conversations about them but a lot of it will be headcanon and theories because it was never meant to go that deep. it's not a failing of encanto that it isn't having the same discussions about generational trauma as succession. it was never meant to do that and it would be a mistake for me to watch it and assume that it did.

it's no insult to children's media to say that it is simpler than adult media because that is by design.

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-12 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
this is very eloquently put but afaict nobody in this thread is demanding you to watch their canon, they just don't want you to assume they're full of shit when they say those themes are there

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-13 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
just because you learned empathy from my little pony doesn't mean that my little pony isn't for kids, and wishing that people would not assume it's just for kids is pointless. because it's for kids.

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-27 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
The most popular canons for the longest time were Marvel SUPERHERO movies often with less complex plots and characters, they're just. Live-action and American and popular, so they feel a tiny bit more for adults, even if the writing is on the same level or lower. C'mon...