socksuke_uchiha ([personal profile] socksuke_uchiha) wrote in [community profile] rpanons2024-10-02 08:27 pm

the masses thirst for the smallest drop of wank

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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
i always assumed people who had strong preferences about this just didn't enjoy visualizing it in a who framed roger rabbit way, which i found pretty understandable/harmless, but this and ayrt is so weird lol

like how do you watch tv/movies...how are you somehow not thinking about actors when animated characters are also voiced by actors who are real people

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
nfn but there's a reason "[so-and-so actor] is a great chameleon" is a compliment; it definitely doesn't make a piece of media better when, for example, it features chris pratt looking like he always does playing the same role he always does shouting like he always does

i'm not even (really) shitting on chris pratt for getting his coins in cringey ways; this applies to any actor who always looks the same and always seems to be playing the same part in the same way. after a few of those it'd probably be a better film/show if they just had someone else in the role

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
that has nothing to do with how they look and everything to do with how they act, this argument still falls apart on that front

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
nah. if i watch a tom cruise movie i'm not going to be thinking about what tom cruise's totally believable and interesting character is doing, i'm going to be thinking 'haha thetans'

tom cruise isn't a bad actor at all, but he looks the same in every single role and is kind of culturally inescapable, so it distracts from the movie

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
very chronically online north american of you tbh

also that's his face??????

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
strange response

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
i'm not even sure what you're trying to defend anymore

do you need directions to wg

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
it’s literally this
i don’t like having to picture threads like who framed Roger rabbit, for me, it’s hard to take seriously

i prefer my LAs with other LAs, and my anime/game/cartoon/etc with other drawn mediums

not liking the cartoon x real life threads is a different conversation from not like LA in general

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
can't you just.
picture both characters in the thread as real people. the drawn medium isn't like… diegetic unless they're literally playing from Looney Tunes.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
da and lbr they probs just can't

as this whole thread has been proving, there's a lot of people in dwrp who seem to entirely hinge envisioning characters on their icons, whether they'll admit it or not

it's the same reason why it's always difficult af to make a physical change stick in other players' awareness in rp settings without getting bespoke icons for it, like a character cutting their canonly long hair short or losing an eye due to game events. because no matter how many times you go out of your way to describe the difference in a tag, ppl will just repeatedly assume that what they're seeing in the canon icons is what they're getting in the character anyway

and now i think about it, for a writing hobby it's a pretty funny hangup...

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
it happens everywhere, honestly. I've done rp everywhere from mmos to fully text-based games where your image of the character comes from a physical description, and there will always be someone who accidentally or purposefully substitutes your actual description of your character for the image they've got in their head

(Anonymous) 2024-10-21 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
i come from rp systems where icons aren't a thing and tbh the dependency on them is the main reason i can't be assed to play some of my characters here

(Anonymous) 2024-10-21 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
dda, and i wouldn't really call this pref a hangup. i think some people are just more visual in their thinking/imagining styles than others.

rp is fun for me because it gives me somewhere to point my never-shuts-up internal monologue. i can knock out multi-paragraph tags faster than a lot of other rpers because i think mainly in words with the occasional supplemental picture.
my ability to form mental images is, however, somewhere around a high-school art student's life drawing skills, and I can't retain enough visual information from an icon for it to have a huge impact. so i end up with no medium divide issue since *everything* in my mental picture is super out-of-focus and thus malleable. this doesn't mean i have more or a better imagination. it's more that my mind's eye is nearsighted as fuck and the descriptive video narrator in my mental "ear" is a pretentious, wordy asshole.

gonna hazard to guess the people with vivid enough visual recall of someone else's little 100x100 square that they can mentally cut and paste it into a bigger image with *their* 100x100 square and make them interact as if they've got an animation AND film studio in their head have prettier journals and more/nicer icons than me. i'm glad they're around, even if they don't rp with me since they're probably who i'm commissioning art and/or icons from.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-21 07:17 am (UTC)(link)
da i'm a very visual person but i don't really look at icons for character cues since some people only ever use default icons. i think some people just have a visceral reaction to things that aren't their norm, just like how some people can argue about milk before cereal or vice versa. people are allowed to think one or the other is weird, but no one likes being told they're weird, so this argument just goes into an endless loop as a result.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-21 07:51 am (UTC)(link)
dda we keep going around in a loop because people are assuming things that aren't being said.

the common message alongside "LA icons are weird" in this thread has been "playing real people is weird and I don't like it" to which folks are responding "we are not playing real people, and it concerns me that you can't keep an ic/ooc divide between that."

It stops being about preference when the 'preference' is about a thing that isn't actually happening. It can absolutely be a preference to play with only animation icons. it can be a preference to play with no icons at all!

but in this thread, the common sentiment behind LA icons being weird is this insistence that playing a live-acted character is the same as playing a real person. It is not.

Having a preference is ok. Accusing the people who don't share your preference of being people who are disrespecting the rights of real people is gonna make people worried that you (the you that feels that way, not you airt) don't have a clear ic/ooc divide.

To use your example: wanting to pour milk before cereal? OK. Wanting to pour it after cereal? OK. Thinking either is weird? OK. Thinking the people who pour milk before the cereal are disrespecting the cow is gonna make people think you are really, really off base about the way you're thinking about this.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-21 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
the reason i dont play LA is that very often you can google a character or actor and find dreamwidth or livejournal icons.

yes, actors are not their characters. but the characters are played by a real person, with a face and a family. no its not the worst thing a celebs family is going to see but 500 tag raunchy non-con threads are not something id feel comfortable having my face anywhere near. more than one actors marriage has fallen apart or gone cold because their spouse couldnt handle the fandom. imagine an 8 year old kid doing a google search of their parent to find raunchy fanart or fanfiction.

it's not the same degree as raunchy fanart or photo edits of the character's popular ship kissing with the actor's face but it's still a bit invasive.

for example

early on some of the supernatural actors deans especially were clearly uncomfortable with how aggressive the fandom was. yes he 'signed up for it when he took the role' but did he really expect the show to take off that hard?

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(Anonymous) 2024-10-21 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
ayrt's ayrt ("the drawn medium isn't diegetic" anon)

i have to disagree that this is inherently a result of people being "very visual." to the contrary, i am myself an extremely visual person (in fact i struggle to get into shows and video games where i dislike the visual style), and these days i have even run in rp circles where icons used as "reaction shots" are common in more lighthearted threads. (yes i enjoy actionspam as a break from my brain's rictus perfectionism when it comes to long-form writing; sue me.)
that is: i am no stranger to using icons as a form of expression and story telling!

it definitely does not mean i am locked to picturing characters as looking exactly like they do in their icons, or imagining some kind of mixed media collage when a video game character interacts with a drawn character and a LA character.

idk, maybe there is simply an awkward gap that people can fall into where they want to reference the visual but can't get their brain to make adjustments? i simply think that this is an issue that can genuinely be overcome with a bit of practice, as long as people are willing to give cross-medium a chance!

(Anonymous) 2024-10-21 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
+1 maybe it's the years of visualizing/daydreaming that makes this easy for me

in cross-medium threads i pick one medium and apply it to both characters

the thought of visualizing both simultaneously never occurred to me. it wouldn't appeal to me either, so i at least get that part

(Anonymous) 2024-10-21 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
unrelated tangent anon but

i didn't find out until i was a grown ass adult that other people are literally and not just figuratively out there seeing pictures in their imaginations

it sounds exhausting

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(Anonymous) 2024-10-21 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
anon you can just say that aesthetics are a thing to you and leave it at that, it's definitely not that deep.

some ppl prefer drawn pbs and shows and stuff. it's normal. the crew in here keep sounding nerdy about it but that's (for the most part) all it's about.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-22 07:30 am (UTC)(link)
yeah i too am very visual and it's literally never been an issue to me because like you said, i don't picture the characters as being exactly the way they look in their icons. i just picture them both as being people.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
hmm, according to my research most people can differentiate between images and reality to understand fiction at age 5

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It has been said a million times by now but let's try again even simpler since we keep seeming to miss the point.

Having a preference: OK! No one is complaining about this! Literally no one!

Saying you have a preference because the things that ARENT your preference are weird and icky: Child behavior, a douche move, the thing people are ACTUALLY complaining about OP saying in this thread

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
does it not work to just look up like a cosplayer to imagine

(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 07:10 pm (UTC)(link)
you can't fix stupid, anon