socksuke_uchiha ([personal profile] socksuke_uchiha) wrote in [community profile] rpanons2023-11-02 08:59 pm

the council has unanimously decreed no memes for now and ever

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Re: GENERAL DWRP QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 03:01 pm (UTC)(link)
that still doesn't solve the problem that would almost certainly plague this new comm as much as it's infested bakerstreet though

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(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
i mean, nothing can solve musedumpers and blank toplevels unless you plan to enforce info in toplevel, which i personally would love, but solving the spam would at least make for a less annoying comm

Re: GENERAL DWRP QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I think enforcing info in top level except for certain exceptions like Hot or Not might work? Not anything ridiculous, just something, even something as simple as 'would prefer 2, 4, and 6. Not into 7'. Just make sure to have a rotation of 'easy' memes that are the exception because that seems to appeal to most people. Like in 'hot or not' or 'would you hit that' you can have blank top levels but for scenario memes you have to put something?

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(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 03:12 pm (UTC)(link)
like this? [community profile] toplvl

Re: GENERAL DWRP QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah but with exceptions/blank top levels allowed on certain memes. I think that a lot of players don't want to invest too much given things almost never pan out and you'd want to encourage people to use the new comm + the basic hot or nots etc. are great for finding new people so don't get rid of them entirely. I'd also allow things like linking to info posts or a blurb about OOC prefs to count as a 'top level' since the point is to have a basic bar of 'did you think about the character and this meme' to ensure everybody in there wants to play rather than musedump. 'You must commit to a top level that might get no tags' is probably too much to ask given the preference for easy.

Like how BS has weekly TFLN there could be semi-regular blank top level memes.

Re: GENERAL DWRP QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
why stop there? require meme posters to write 3-5 generic starting prompts per meme w/ 1 wildcard/plot with op option

that way, everyone can see a person's writing style and what they might be into writing, and also have an easy selection of prompts they can pick from

Re: GENERAL DWRP QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
so one of the things that traditionally turns people off from new meme comms is this kind of rules lawyering

there must be top levels, memes must be gen, etc

bakerstreet would be infinitely better if memes were just pruned for copycats and moderated to only release 3-5 memes a day or something

Re: GENERAL DWRP QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, fair point.

It's kind of shitty because if there aren't enough rules/rules lawyering some people just love pushing the line. (See all the almost identical meme spam on BS).

Like what determines a 'copycat' would just turn into a fight.

If we're allergic to rules/standards/thinking then everything is going to be spam. That's kind of a cardinal rule of the internet at this point.

Re: GENERAL DWRP QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
you're right, but moderated posting completely solves that issue. don't approve memes that "toe the line"

no one sees them, no fight

Re: GENERAL DWRP QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
the only thing/s i can think of as being an issue with moderated posting is that it's a volunteer mod position that they don't have enough mods/a mod on for dedicated posting times. that and while it might stop the issue of 'this is really close to that meme' it doesn't stop someone from socking up and posting ten memes. as long as they're 'different enough'. so you might still get a flood of memes whenever whatever mod goes on to approve/decline the memes. and then more arguments of how many memes can get posted, what memes aren't getting approved, potential infighting on 'they're suffocating/not allowing gen/smut/x memes mod bias boo' when at least this way, people can post all the shitty crap they want and there's a transparent place to post to complain about the copy memes and to get them taken down. when a mod goes. like the taboo meme currently up that is early from the 2 week posting but isn't down yet because whichever mod handles that hasn't gotten online to do that yet. but they just posted a mod post about 'make sure your repost is actually at the 2 week mark', so is that intentional or just dumbassery?

bs isn't a fully moderated comm, and that's just the sort of crap you get with an open public forum. all the gleeks get in along with the active happy types. personally, i'm all for more options. more comms. some heavily moderated. some not. some strictly porny. some gen. some mixed. idc. the mods on bs now aren't even the original mods. they had to go to denise to beg to take over the comm after the original mod fucked off and left it.

anyone but me remember those days?

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(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
asking for shit like "just moderate and manually approve every single meme that someone tries to put up" is how you burn mods out

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(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
idk i feel like with a mod team of 3-4 you could have this covered easily, like it wouldn't be time-consuming to just approve or delete - maybe at the beginning, but presumably once you've deleted "rate those pinky fingers" a few times, the "rate those pinky fingers" poster will get the hint

like of course they'd have to be people who'd want to handle that, but if they're not then they're not going to be modding this theoretically comm anyway

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(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
iirc, and someone can chime in if i'm wrong, the original mod abandoned bs and fucked all the way off and no one could find them and the place became chaos. then 1800s went and asked denise to hand it off and after whatever they did to verify that the original mod was not coming back, 1800s took over. but they hadn't modded a comm like that before and just wanted to be able to fix some things that were issues and whatnot. korofel came on board sometime after that, and they eventually brought thelongcon on after because that poster had already been doing the meme round up all on their own, just to keep track of things (and it was a very helpful post). as of lately, 1800s hasn't been seen much, if at all, and korofel seems to have taken more of a backseat role, so it's mostly been up to thelongcon to see to the double posting complaints and i don't want to blame any of the mods for this, because it's not really their fault.

Re: +1

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah the original mod was a BBC sherlock rper which is why she named it bakerstreet

she offered it to me once, before she fucked off, and I said no thx

Re: +1

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
it isn't their fault, but they're also not going to ever do anything differently. not ever.

if you genuinely want a moderated bakerstreet, you'll need to start a new bakerstreet

and the miserable anons who think it's a silly idea because it's been tried before can sit on their thumbs

Re: +1

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
i dont think anyone thinks its just "a silly idea" and thats a pretty considerable oversimplification

what people are saying is that youre putting every problem on the moderation when people have tried to make "the new bakerstreet" before and its never taken. at best you get comms that fill an ancillary niche like fortanon

the problem is clearly deeper than just the moderation, but none of you are ready for that conversation

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(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
you may sit on your thumb if you have no better ideas

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(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
this is mte basically. theoretically the mods who are moderating this community and approving memes are doing so because they want to

2-3 mods to log in a few times a week would do it

Re: +1

(Anonymous) 2023-11-11 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
not on a comm like bakerstreet, unless they had a queue, and then it would get stale and boring. do really contend with actual posting moderation, someone would have to be available at most/all hours. which means a handful of people. and the problem with that is the proprietary feeling that comes from that and in a comm like bs, there's no real proprietary rights. i post memes. there is someone i loathe that i avoid at all costs. any time i post a meme and they reply to it, i have a kneejerk reaction to delete their comment. i don't, because i'm not that much of a jerk, but the desire's there. that kind of entitlement can spread fast. we already have people banned on bs, for good reason. imagine someone with just a little less adultness joining the mod team and just banning/turning down memes from certain people 'because they can'.

that kind of behavior is perfectly fine in games, imo. you mod a game, you make the rules. but an open public comm? you have to be more lax than that.

Re: +1

(Anonymous) 2023-11-11 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
i'm...confused

you're arguing against moderation because of the remote possibility that someone might intuit that someone they hate is posting a meme (from a sock) and go on a crusade against their memes, ruining the entire comm?

Re: +1

(Anonymous) 2023-11-11 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
not exactly. more like someone might have a legitimate beef with someone, but it's not like, ban worthy, but they opt to help mod and now that person's top levels just 'disappear' or they can't post a meme, or their account for certain characters are banned. it's really easy to abuse stuff in little increments. and the more it's done on a small scale, the easier it is to do on a larger one. and it might not even be a conscious thing. but there's more i guess acceptance is the right word for a mod being territorial over their game than there would be for any mod/helper being territorial over a public comm. especially one that's been around as long as bs has.

i guess it's a weird way of saying i have trust issues.

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Re: GENERAL DWRP QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
In an alternate timeline memebells became the dominant meme community. Everything else is otherwise exactly the same.

Re: GENERAL DWRP QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
+1, exactly! i think it's really just that simple.

Re: GENERAL DWRP QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
bakerstreet already does this though?

its up to meme posters but if someone put up a meme where you cant have blank top levels, theyre allowed to delete the blank top levels

Re: GENERAL DWRP QUESTIONS

(Anonymous) 2023-11-10 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
i think that most people are not as worried about blank toplevels at this point, because even the musedumpers are not posting anymore